The Presiding Overseer of my congregation chaired the process of appointing the very first body of elders in our congregation back in 1972/73. Six were announced, including the PO, but at the very next meeting it was announced that the PO had declined the role and needed a rest after being the PO for about a decade, which must have made him one of the very first people to decline such a role. He then spent several years as a regular dub before getting back into the saddle. I think he went straight up to being an elder without passing MS, and later became a CO. After that I lost track as I lost contact with them all.
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Has anyone ever turn down being appointed an Elder or MS?
by Davros inhas anyone turned it down or know of someone who did turn down being an elder or ms?.
yes, it should be one of the biggest privileges a brother can get !!
(how do i put the barfy icon in?
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Do as we SAY, but not as we DO!
by BoogerMan in"it's easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they've been fooled.
it's not just jw's who blindly follow their leaders.
it's horrifying to see how easily mass-hysteria has been instilled in a nation.
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When I saw Friday's Dilbert strip I thought of this thread.
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Do as we SAY, but not as we DO!
by BoogerMan in"it's easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they've been fooled.
it's not just jw's who blindly follow their leaders.
it's horrifying to see how easily mass-hysteria has been instilled in a nation.
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nor have I ever heard anyone else say, that Covid 19 is not a serious killer
Oh No? What do you make of these two earlier in this thread?;
Matt
i knew the virus was fake when it was first announced in china
Attomat
The main reasons for bringing about this pandemic hoax
However Boogerman, I acknowledge that you have a point that has nothing to do with conspiracy theorists. In all wars there are casualties, and you are perfectly right to question where those casualties should be. There is an argument for simply allowing this pandemic to run its course and accept millions of deaths, most of which would be the elderly, who are non-productive anyway, and those with an underlying health condition, who are more likely to die sooner rather than later, so no big deal. We must also add the many thousands of front line medics and carers, and accept the heavier toll this virus would take on our black and ethnic minority groups. You are free to argue that all those casualties are an acceptable price for keeping our economies intact, but you are doing more than that. You are saying that those of us who don’t accept that price are being fooled.
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100 Dead, but God is Merciful
by Ultimate Axiom ina plane with 99 people on board has crashed into a populated area of karachi, but at least two of the passengers survive.
one of them is reported as saying, “god has been merciful”.
what kind of mercy was shown to the other 100 or more that died?.
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In certain oriental religions, it is just a cultural reflex to claim everything is god's doing
Not just an Oriental trait though is it? – how many times have you heard someone say, “everything happens for a reason”? Although I’ve yet to hear an explanation as to what that actually means.
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Do as we SAY, but not as we DO!
by BoogerMan in"it's easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they've been fooled.
it's not just jw's who blindly follow their leaders.
it's horrifying to see how easily mass-hysteria has been instilled in a nation.
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Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.
Yep, and that’s without any preventative measures apart from some countries vaccinating their over 60s. With all the social distancing measures being taken around the world Covid-19 has still killed at least 338,000, and that is a massive underestimate. The actual deaths from Covid-19 are not being reported correctly, either because of inadequate reporting systems or lying governments. In England we only used to report deaths in hospitals, but when deaths in care homes were included the numbers shot up, but even that doesn’t tell the whole story. The UK’s official death toll is 36,667, but that’s only those who had a positive test. If you include those that had Cocid-19 symptoms as a contributing factor on their death certificate that number jumps to 41,020. However, if you take the average deaths over this period we have 54,437 more deaths than we have had during this period in previous years. If that is typical of other countries then that 338,000 figure jumps to over half a million. And as so many governments are simply lying I suspect the real figure is even higher. For example, Qatar admits to over 40,000 cases, but admits to only 19 deaths, I find that highly suspicious, as I do Russia’s claim to have lost only 3,300 or so out of over 326,00 cases.
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Do as we SAY, but not as we DO!
by BoogerMan in"it's easier to fool people than it is to convince them that they've been fooled.
it's not just jw's who blindly follow their leaders.
it's horrifying to see how easily mass-hysteria has been instilled in a nation.
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I'm with you there oppostate and Cofty - I find it astonishing how some will see a conspiracy in just about everything. So the virus is fake is it? And all those coffins are empty? All those mourners are actors? The friend I’ve know since schooldays didn’t spend a week in intensive care and die? His funeral was a hoax and when it’s over we’ll meet up again eh? Laughable and gullible is putting it politely.
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Craziest thing you ever saw in a KH?
by dubstepped ini did this in my facebook group for my podcast and it was fun.. so what's the craziest thing you ever saw?.
for me it was watching a brother have a heart attack during the meeting in the auditorium.
i was a kid and noticed him shaking and acting strange.
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Not that crazy, but in our KH in the 1970s, the record player for the Kingdom Songs was by the front seat on the left of the platform. The guy assigned to operate it was an oldish Eastern European guy, who was a bit weird, and was given that privilege because he wasn’t capable of anything else. He was never an MS or elder, but he was of the ‘anointed’ and one time he put on the wrong track. Everyone started singing, but it took a few bars before the reason for the discordance sank in, following which the (relatively young) elder on the platform immediately jumped from the platform and changed the track and had everyone start again. The operator was gobsmacked, still unaware there was a problem, but after the meeting he took the young elder aside and gave him quite a mouthful. It was quite embarrassing for everyone, especially as the language wasn’t what you would expect from a ‘brother’, and certainly not in a KH.
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100 Dead, but God is Merciful
by Ultimate Axiom ina plane with 99 people on board has crashed into a populated area of karachi, but at least two of the passengers survive.
one of them is reported as saying, “god has been merciful”.
what kind of mercy was shown to the other 100 or more that died?.
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A plane with 99 people on board has crashed into a populated area of Karachi, but at least two of the passengers survive. One of them is reported as saying, “God has been merciful”. Really? What kind of mercy was shown to the other 100 or more that died?
Reminds me of the expression, “There but for the grace of God go I”, which translates as, “There but for the lack of God’s grace goes him”.
It is so typical of believers, who attribute random good luck to God’s benevolence, but fail to follow that to the logical conclusion that bad luck must be attributable to his malevolence, or at least His indifference. Thank God I'm an atheist. -
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Could Boris "save the NHS & lives" by BANNING Covid 19?
by BoogerMan inobviously not, but he could do so by banning an even greater killer - tobacco.
smoking has been identified as the single greatest cause of preventable illness and premature death in all 4 nations of the u.k. .
annually, in scotland approximately 10,000 die, in wales, 5000, and in n.i.
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Whoa, hang on a sec there FedUpJW, we don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water. Making it compulsory would mean we all die earlier, whereas good Darwinian principles require us to target only the weak willed and weak minded. Now here’s a thought, not only allow unbridled advertising, what also employ the services of Cambridge Analytica and target smokers and potential smokers with tailor made pro-smoking propaganda. I reckon that would be sufficient to weed out enough to keep the population stable.
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Could Boris "save the NHS & lives" by BANNING Covid 19?
by BoogerMan inobviously not, but he could do so by banning an even greater killer - tobacco.
smoking has been identified as the single greatest cause of preventable illness and premature death in all 4 nations of the u.k. .
annually, in scotland approximately 10,000 die, in wales, 5000, and in n.i.
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I am not convinced about the “excessive” cost to the NHS, and to the nation as a whole, that smoking (and gluttony) incurs. And for four reasons:
First, if all those people dying of smoking related diseases (and Big Macs) hadn’t smoked, they would live longer, end up requiring care and would die of other things, all incurring costs that would otherwise have not been incurred, and that should all therefore be deducted from the costs of treating the smoking (and gluttony) related diseases.
Second, tobacco is a heavily taxed product and brings in billions of tax revenue every year. So, if nobody smoked, that revenue would also need deducting from the costs of treating the smoking related diseases.
Third, while smokers (and gluttons) are alive, they still pay into pension funds and National Insurance, and because they die early, the DWP and the pension industry saves huge amounts of pension money they would otherwise have to pay out if those people lived “full term”.
And fourth, they keep the population down, thus reducing the burden on the nation’s resources.
Only by deducting all of the above costs, from the costs of treating the smoking (and gluttony) related diseases can we get the actual cost to the nation that smoking (and gluttony) incurs.
I think there’s an argument for actually encouraging smoking. Tax it to the hilt, allow unbridled advertising, but retain the ban in public places for the sake of those of us who don’t smoke. That way more people would die before requiring long term care, and before collecting their pensions, leaving more for the rest of us. It’s all in accordance with Darwinian survival of the fittest. In the case of smoking, those with the fittest minds.